I live in a rather long ranch style house. The front and rear doors are centerally located and if someone were able to breach them quickly I would be cut off from one half of the house. I keep a 20 ga in the bedroom loaded with steel #2 shot 3". I now have a M&P .45 I am proof testing with 230 gr Speer Gold Dot ammo which with the 642 will cover the living half of the house. I do not plan on clearing the house unless Grandma is in the other half and then the BG may not want to meet her. She can handle the 20 or revolver quite well.

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PA-63 on one night stand along with 3 mags of Hornady xtp JHP, 38 spl S&W model 10 with 2 speed loaders of Federal JHP on the other nightstand. Hi-Point CF 380 with one additional mag. Stashed in Kitchen. Mossberg 835, 22" Barrel with five 00 Buck in the tube and 5 on the side saddle. Cell phone and Landline both on the night stand. Various high intensity lights on both night stands.
I'm good to go. Just need a good watchdog outside and It would be perfect.

rchjr wrote:

PA-63 on one night stand along with 3 mags of Hornady xtp JHP, 38 spl S&W model 10 with 2 speed loaders of Federal JHP on the other nightstand. Hi-Point CF 380 with one additional mag. Stashed in Kitchen. Mossberg 835, 22" Barrel with five 00 Buck in the tube and 5 on the side saddle. Cell phone and Landline both on the night stand. Various high intensity lights on both night stands. I'm good to go. Just need a good watchdog outside and It would be perfect.

Don't forget the alarm and outside lighting.

I have a 870 with a 10 shot combat extention on it and a 25 round ranger ammo sling, I also have on my nightstand a Ruger DC89 15shot 9mm with Hydra shock ammo and a extra loaded mag. I keep the pump loaded with law enforcement grade #4 Buckshot.


I got my tube extender here 25 years ago and it still feeds and works like new.

http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_category.cfm?queries_index=Gallery&ProductCode=27

I am seriously considering picking up a SAIGA 12ga semi-auto. I have read nothing but good things about them, and high-cap clips are available for them:

http://www.saiga-12.com/

Well, I've got my Ruger P95DC beside me on the nightstand, My Mossberg 500 with 00 buckshot is right next to that, and my Hi-Point 995 Carbine next to my wife's side.I've got my Rayovac Sportsman light next to my Ruger and my 995 carbine has a light mounted on it.
I don't use my AK for indoor home defense because it seems a bit like over-kill for that.

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There is no such thing as over kill in combat, you go full out 100% for the total win and nothing else. An AK loaded with a good expanding/fragmenting bullet is a excellent home defense weapon but one must weigh the over penetration and total miss down range risks and know your back stops. Thats why ambush and shoot lanes in the home are so important since you dictate the engagement and pre-know what lays behind the target.

GlockMan wrote:

There is no such thing as over kill in combat, you go full out 100% for the total win and nothing else. An AK loaded with a good expanding/fragmenting bullet is a excellent home defense weapon but one must weigh the over penetration and total miss down range risks and know your back stops. Thats why ambush and shoot lanes in the home are so important since you dictate the engagement and pre-know what lays behind the target.

The over-penetration thing is what concerns me. I live in a house with about 300 yards of woods between me and my nieghbors home.
But my fear is penetrating a wall and hitting someone close to me in another room. My house is quite old and the walls are thin. Now, outside the house is different. If I hear a bump outside I grab it.

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Ambush Kill zones that do not endanger your family

I keep my Mossberg 500 loaded with 00 buck beside the bed for home defense. But I sleep with my kel-tec 380 in an ankle holster. I know that might seem weird, but I am so afraid that I will not wake up until the bg is right over me, and I should be able to draw it pretty easily.

Ruger P-85 with Crimson Trace grips, loaded with Federal Premium Personal Defense rounds, in a quick access safe by the bed. I just bought a Hawk 12GA shotgun today that'll be backup to the P-85. Are there any shotgun shells sold as personal/home defense? One of the things my instructor at my CCW class (who is also a defense lawyer who handles home shooting cases) told me is that it's much easier to defend your choice of ammo if it says "Defense" on the box.

No court argument over factory manufactured ammunition has ever seceded against a person who used factory loaded ammunition during a legal and justified shooting. I have never been able to find a single civil case were it mattered, reloads there were a few when the loads were so hot it was beyond SAMMI spec.

	GlockMan wrote:
	No court argument over factory manufactured ammunition has ever seceded against a person who used factory loaded ammunition...

Which was the point. Just because it doesn't succeed doesn't mean lawyers aren't going to make a point of the type of ammo used, or make the defense have to jump through more hoops. Sometimes even winning a case still means losing. Even if you do it the right way, and you're in the right, civil lawyers can still try and paint you as a raving lunatic just waiting kill someone. They don't have to have precedent. It may never have been done before. But, that doesn't mean some lawyer doesn't want to be the first to win a case showing that people with concealed permits are all bloodthirsty neanderthals, or that those evil bullet manufacturers want to see people dead, and that they don't care what that does to the defendants. Many lives have been ruined even though they won their civil cases. I'm just listening to the good advice the lawyer gave and looking out for myself.

I wouldn't fire if I knew someone was in a room beyond the perp anyway. I'd rather not let 'em get that far. I like Gman's idea of having spots where I can shoot from cover and not endanger anyone in the house. I have a few of those.

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Batjac wrote:

GlockMan wrote: No court argument over factory manufactured ammunition has ever seceded against a person who used factory loaded ammunition... Which was the point. Just because it doesn't succeed doesn't mean lawyers aren't going to make a point of the type of ammo used, or make the defense have to jump through more hoops. Sometimes even winning a case still means losing. Even if you do it the right way, and you're in the right, civil lawyers can still try and paint you as a raving lunatic just waiting kill someone. They don't have to have precedent. It may never have been done before. But, that doesn't mean some lawyer doesn't want to be the first to win a case showing that people with concealed permits are all bloodthirsty neanderthals, or that those evil bullet manufacturers want to see people dead, and that they don't care what that does to the defendants. Many lives have been ruined even though they won their civil cases. I'm just listening to the good advice the lawyer gave and looking out for myself.

Your lawyer friend would know that a very simple defense would discredit any claim about factory ammunition in a justified shooting no matter what type it was, plus with the case won your counter suit for legal fee's would be granted by just about any judge out there. Suing based on ammunition type used is just about non-existent and I would not worry about the issue.

	GlockMan wrote:
	Suing based on ammunition type used is just about non-existent and I would not worry about the issue.

I live in Portland, Oregon. I worry about everything gun related in this town. Liberally, Portland's just one step behind Berkeley, and two steps to the left of Cambridge, Mass....

I just bought a brand new Remington 870 7-shot 12 gauge. It will be my primary home defense weapon. I have lots and lots of 00 buckshot at the ready.

Law enforcement grade #4 buckshot? Seems like an anti-oxymoron.

	Deltaboy wrote:
	...... I keep the pump loaded with law enforcement grade #4 Buckshot........

	Jokeman wrote:
	Law enforcement grade #4 buckshot? Seems like an anti-oxymoron. Deltaboy wrote: ...... I keep the pump loaded with law enforcement grade #4 Buckshot........

How so?

	Jokeman wrote:
	Law enforcement grade #4 buckshot? Seems like an anti-oxymoron. Deltaboy wrote: ...... I keep the pump loaded with law enforcement grade #4 Buckshot........

how so? it is Nobel Law enforcement 00 buck that is what is on the box.

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